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can you give me some product suggestions? 
27th-Dec-2009 10:19 pm
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I'm trying to find a "greener" toothpaste that's also vegan *and* has fluoride. I bought one variety (Nature's Gate? I forget), and after I used it the first time, I realised it didn't have fluoride. *sigh* I'm currently using a high fluoride paste that I got from the dentist, and while it seems to be free of animal products, I don't think the company is very green or veg-friendly. I'd prefer something peppermint (allergic to spearmint and wintergreen, and weirded out by non-mint flavors).

Is there such a thing as a vegan sensitive toothpaste? The active ingredient in sensitive pastes is not animal-derived, but I haven't been able to find it in a vegan paste from a reputable company. (I think what my husband's using now that actually works has potassium nitrate.) I keep googling, but with no luck so far.

And, finally, green dishwasher detergent! I tried Method tablets awhile ago (different home, different dishwasher), and they never seemed to dissolve properly. I got about two washes out of each tablet, but I'm not convinced that made for the most well-rinsed dishes for the first load. ;) Anyhow, I'm not sure if it was the dishwasher or not, so I hate to seek these things out again only to find out they STILL don't work that well. I'm currently using some green and vegan concentrate the little market by our house carries. The price is good, but I'm not convinced it's rinsing very well. We have to be VERY careful not to overload the dishwasher with the soap (1 tablespoon is too much, and one teaspoon is probably ideal, per load), or we get a white film on everything. Our dishwasher is TERRIBLE anyway, and not a heck of a lot better than a sanitizer (if that: we only have water jets on the bottom of the machine, and no dispenser for Jet Dry/rinse agents/vinegar), so I need something that washes and rinses easy, and won't wreak environmental havoc.

It's so frustrating to buy these things by trial and error, because I have limited storage space where we're at (in the past, I'd just buy a new product and save a disappointing product for emergencies/backup), and if I'm really disappointed in something (like the fluoride-less toothpaste), it's an awful lot of waste.

If it helps, I'm in the US, in East Bay/San Francisco bay area, so I've got some luck on my side when it comes to finding greener and vegan products.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions :)
28th-Dec-2009 06:52 am (UTC)

i love ecover's dishwasher tabs. amazing.

i switch between jason's sea fresh and theraneem's products. i love theraneem's mouthwash. love it!
you couldn't pay me to willingly ingest/expose myself to fluoride again (i wont even drink tap water). i'm sure its dentist recommended, but here are some links to check out-

28th-Dec-2009 03:26 pm (UTC)
this. flouride is creepy.

Jason Sea Fresh is hands down the best natural toothpaste!
28th-Dec-2009 07:22 am (UTC)
The best results I've had dishsoap-wise is with the Trader Joe's house brand dishwashing soap.

Can't help with the toothpaste. I personally use the Trader Joe's house stuff too, which I know is just Tom's of Maine repackaged as a TJ's brand.
29th-Dec-2009 07:22 am (UTC)
I never even thought to check out TJ's brand of dishwasher soap. Thanks! We've got a TJ's really close by so between this and someones suggestion for The Planet's dishwasher soap, I think I'm finally hooked up. :)
28th-Dec-2009 06:22 pm (UTC)
Sounds like your dishwasher is just like mine and is just a waste of space. This is why I don't use mine. It doesn't really work, and putting soap in it constantly just to have to rinse everything by hand is a pain. I've gone so far as to use some homemade dishwasher stuff and it didn't even work.
It's likely that you should just do your dishes by hand and you're better off
28th-Dec-2009 08:56 pm (UTC)
yeah i'm not really in a position to do everything by hand (basically i rinse all the food off when we're done eating/cooking, and then the dishwasher does the final rinse/sanitizing) because i'm disabled and unable to stand and do dishes for the period of time it'd take to actually soap them up and rinse them off.

i almost tried to make my own dishwasher soap lol. i'm still open to the idea but can't imagine it'd be too much different than what we could buy. heh.
29th-Dec-2009 07:12 am (UTC)
I did 2 c. Borax, 1 c. Baking soda then I did white vinegar in the rinse dispenser but if you don't have one I haven't the foggiest how to add it...i dunno if it's like a washing machine if you can open and add?
29th-Dec-2009 07:19 am (UTC)
how much of that mix did you use per load? i like the idea of borax and baking soda.

i've just POURED the vinegar into the dishwasher, but i don't think it does anything except help clear the drains. there's a jet dry product that comes in a small plastic jug and fits in the rack like a glass. something like that would be perfect, but i'd rather not buy Jet Dry. i'll have to do some research to see if i can't rig up some kinda container that'd work similar but fill it with vinegar.
29th-Dec-2009 05:54 pm (UTC)
about 3 Tb.
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29th-Dec-2009 07:21 am (UTC)
i'll look closer at the Nature's Gate display next time! thanks for the tip. i must have just bought one that was fluoride-free.

The Planet is awesome! I didnt even think about finding dishwasher detergent. I use their laundry soap and i love it. I'll definitely look into the dishwasher soap. thanks!
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